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of obama's additional debt by higher levels of growth, not raising taxes. so there's a lot of money to be gotten from growth. how they do this, we have to see it written down, but because the obama administration and spokesmen have been so emphatic about all taxes and no spending restraint, all taxes and actually spend -- another stimulus, another solyndra stimulus program -- >> i don't think they've mentioned solyndra, grover, but i'm sure they appreciate your mentioning of it. >> they didn't? the whole idea of additional spending rather than spending restrictions -- they could save money by not continuing world war ii as well. so the obama administration is so far out there, that what the republicans are doing is pointing out how reasonable they are, taking bowles' idea, i see he's playing democrat partisan today -- >> part of that is actually putting revenue on the table which speaker boehner has said multiple times he's open to doing, that includes closing loopholes and ending deductions. not words that are political kryptoni kryptonite. for the republican party that has stoked
reforms republicans should let mr. obama own the debt crisis he has done so much to create. conservative commentator bill crystal says they're making a dangerous gamble. >> republicans are at risk in my view now of looking like they're defending, keeping the current tax rates for the wealthy. end of the day president obama is selling a simple message, i want to keep taxes low for middle-class americans and republicans look like -- i'm worried are in the position offiof ing -- looking as fe the don't care about middle class. >> joining us is the sage of capitol hill, boat shoe enthusiast and celebrity doppelganger, nbc's luke russert. >> good day. happy monday. >> thank you, luke. it's an exciting time on capitol hill my friend. i want to focus first on the gop. is the party coming together, coalescing around something, anything, relating to the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think they're coalescing around anything it's for speaker boehner to continue the negotiations and not give a single inch. the gop has done very well over the last few years is in the negotiations with president obama. the
are out of work. 46 million are on food stamps. we're $16 trillion in debt. >> it is really clear from what we've seen so far. >> you agree with barber. have president obama's policies helped you? let's really help the middle class. vote against barber and obama. >> jennifer: okay. so this was a campaign ad and the campaign ad was financed by this saudi-led oil lobby group. how can a saudi-led foreign entity fund a campaign commercial in america? >> well, the citizens united decision in 2010 opened significant loopholes for these tiepts of problems -- these types of problems. essentially, everyone talks about super pacs. most of them -- most super pacs are funded by individuals. but citizens united also enabled trade associations which historically have been fund and led by foreigners on to act as a campaign committee. the only difference is that trade associations don't have to disclose during the election. so a lot of foreign -- >> jennifer: so it is even worse than what you would find from a corporation giving
by folding the debt ceiling into fiscal cliff talks. take a listen. >> obama: congress, in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year i will not play that game. >> jennifer: fortunately for us "newsweek" "daily beast" special correspondent michael tomasky is always up for playing political games himself. he's joining us from washington d.c. thanks for coming back inside "the war room." >> it is always my pleasure, governor. >> jennifer: always a pleasure to have you. so let me talk about this debt ceiling issue. because really, as we look at it really the only leverage that republicans have on the fiscal cliff talks they proceed to be with the debt limit right? so today the treasury department ups the ante by endorsing republican senator mitch mcconnell's summer 2011 provision which you know, he suggested and it effectively lets t
under obama divent to g.d.p. the ratio of debt to g.d.p. was 44%. it's now about 73%. that's in four years. that's astronomical. >> he sees the same stats that you see, that i see. he knows it. he knows what he is doing. yet, when you present this to the democratic party or even to the american people who by the way voted for this the american people voted for. this barack obama made no campaign promises that he would cut spending, none. he didn't say he would reign in government, none. yet the american people said you know what? that's okay with us. you keep spending, you keep getting it up there and we will take our chances. do you think most americans understand this? >> not at all. and i think it's pretty easy to win elections when you give away candy that you borrow from the chinese. and i think the reason republicans lost is they didn't make the case. they didn't make the case sustainable. >> bill: what we did tonight mitt romney never did. he had made the economic case that we are making here tonight that, listen, all the cash, all of your 401(k)'s. all of your equities, all o
developments of the day: president obama said he believes a framework for a debt-cutting deal can be reached in the coming weeks, possibly before christmas. stocks rebounded on the hopeful talk in washington. the dow industrials gained more than 100 points. and the top appellate courts in egypt went on strike against president muhammad morsi's move to assume near-absolute power. morsi planned to address the egyptian people tomorrow. >> warner: online, we continue our series on social entrepreneurs with a profile of a woman who's breaking taboos. hari sreenivasan has more. >> sreenivasan: harvard business school graduate elizabeth scharpf launched sustainable health enterprises. it helps women in low-income countries to jump start businesses to manufacture and distribute affordable feminine hygiene products. find her story on our social entrepreneurs page. plus, on making sense, paul solman breaks down the pros and cons of investing in i-bonds versus 403(b) retirement savings plans. all that and more is on our web site newshour.pbs.org. margaret? >> warner: and that's the "newshour" for tonig
>>> right now on "andrea mitchell reports" line in the sand. president obama warns republicans not to create another debt ceiling crisis as a tactic in the budget talks. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses, and it is not a game that i will play. >> the speaker says the president's opening bid couldn't even pass the democratic led senate. boehner is ready for a sit down with the president. >> we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> a rare senate appearance, by former majority leader bob dole wasn't enough to win over republican support for a treaty promising equal rights for people with disabilities. we'll talk with the leading sponsor john kerry about what he called one of the sadsest days of his long senate career. >> this vote is to test whether the senate will stand up for those who cannot see or hear and whether senators can hear the truth and
knows, i believe that president obama knows that ain't going to happen. the debt ceiling vote's not going to go away. the new stimulus is not going to go away. the 4 to 1 revenues over spending cuts. there really are no real spending cuts. none of that stuff's going to work. they know that, neil. i mean, what about the art of negotiating and finding common ground? isn't there still some of that left alive in congress? >> larry, we're running a $1 trillion deficit a year. so any deal that doesn't start to make serious impact into that is not a deal worth doing. so yes, they should definitely negotiate. they should ask for real fundamental reforms to the entitlement system. we all know that's what we need. and if they got a deal that had some real reform in it, sure. they should be willing to give and take on such a deal. there's nothing like that that's likely to be on the table. and jumping is a lot better than a phony deal. >> why are you so pessimistic? before i come back to senator hutchson, obama started out pretty conciliatory. you're very pessimistic, neil. >> obama came
vance. tonight, president obama issued yet another warning to republicans, do not use the fiscal cliff to start a fight over the debt ceiling. the u.s. could reach its debt ceiling by the end of the month, and risk defaulting on its loans early next year. house speaker john boehner today said, quote, we don't have time for the president to continue shifting the goal posts. we need to solve this problem. danielle lee now joins us from capitol hill with more on this story tonight. danielle? >> reporter: jim, good evening. we're just now learning that president obama spoke to house speaker john boehner by phone this afternoon. but we're not hearing of any progress on avoiding the fiscal cliff or on raising the nation's debt ceiling which is currently at $16.4 trillion. there are new concerns about what could happen to the country's credit rating in the new year. each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limit. president obama talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that the debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to
power to raise the federal debt limit without congressional approval. in other words, an obama blank cheque. that is not all. he also wants the estate tax to be levied at 45% on inheritances a step even democratic senators are balking on this current is 35%. the obama offer contained no serious cuts, no serious reforms to entitlement programs and no serious proposals of tax reform this president had the gall to count savings more than one billion dollars from ending wars in iraq and afghanistan no one has proposed war spending over the next decade that includes cuts to domestic programs agreed to last year, fuzzy washington math. what this is obama's propose last year which received zero votes in the house or senate this is disguised as a so-called compromise offer. don't be fooled it is no such thing. the so-called offer was nothing less than a disgrace what he did yesterday with geithner. the proposal was as dishonest and misleading as date is long. the question is, how should the gop respond to this travesty? republicans should do several things. first, do what senator mcconnell d
't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem. and under this administration, under president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate, and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes to pay for more spending. this will only hurt our economy. ernst and young has done an analysis of the president's proposal and said it will cost several hundreds thousands of jobs. there is a better way and the speaker has laid it out. it is an approach that calls for tax reform by reforming the tax code and passing responsible spending cuts in order to get our fiscal house in order. that's what america wants. the big things. this is our moment to provide that leadership that america desperately wants and we stand here ready to take the action necessary. >> the american people are hurting right now and now is the moment where we need to step up to the plate and solve the problem. i don't know how any of us can look our kids and grandkids in the eye and explain to them that we aren't willing to pay for the things we are enjoying today but just going to send them the bill. that's
. candidate barack obama, identical about his law school debt. >> his convention speech as well. >> it's a little eerie. >> you can replace some of the words they're the same script. >> nancy, watching ryan and rubio try to get past 47% and they were both in a very, i think effective ways. very good speeches. >> used the phrase middle class 37 times in 30 minutes, what do you think that's about. >> errol, rubio and ryan are potentially the future of the party and you had what we watched on the senate floor yesterday a bunch of senate republicans with their tail between their legs hiding, worried about primary challenges because they might get rid of american sovereignty to the united nations over disabilities. >> it was a little depressing asking the world to get up to u.s. standards and do what we do as far as curb cuts and access and ability to get around, to suggest that this was somehow going to be bad for america was absurd and i think when we poll it, when you look at it as it starts to sink in, in the country, they'll see they are on the wrong side of yet another issue. >> quick
for president obama by 20 point. deeply in debt. to suggest we need help from d.c., maybe that detroit city councilmember opened up the door for a request for a federal bailout. martha: one of the biggest burdens on the municipality have been the deals the public unions have struck for their workers. we have seen it in places where the promises have been made where there i not the money to support. i there any question the administration -- that the president is open to the idea that the president is open to bail out these municipalities? >> there is no mention so far. but you are right to point out the union connect. president obama's reelect heavily supported by municipal unions and it's the pensions promised to municipal union workers, that is what is strangling many of the states that are in such dire straight. illinois and california in particular. will quid pro quo be called in by municipal unions like it has been called in by the municipal councilmember. martha: what happens if they don't get it. what happens if there aren't bailouts. >> detroit is bankrupt. other cities have declare
of the obama administration, we got obamacare, the stimulus, a lot of spending that's contributed to the debt. so what we need to do is the reasonable thing, and that's to try to work together to bridge our differences. you're right, nobody's going to get all of what they want, but i think this is an area where the 80/20 rule might asupply. you get 80% of what we find in common we need to do, and leave the other 20% behind. >> greta: coming up, move over, mtv, there's a new music video. that's next. [ thunder crashes ] [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes ] it doesn't. stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. >> greta: now this is a first, the very first music video created entirely off instagram, all the way from still photos. no video was ever shot. take a look. >> ♪
and obama. last time it happened was the 2011 debt ceiling negotiations and that didn't really turn out so well. >> why would that be their aim? >> they want to make this about the president and boehner. and they think they can get a better deal that way. the pro who white house strategy is to have this happen at the staff level and the president float above it and go out and make his case to the country. as he did later in 2011 on the extension of the payroll tax holiday. they really feel that the more they have, the president sort of down on boehner's level, the worse things are going to go. >> anna marie, i want to get your take on something that democratic senator claire mccaskill said on "meet the press," about the choice that republicans face. take a listen. >> they're going to get stuck with a raising of the rates of the top 2%. either in a very painful way. or in a way that we can all suffer a little bit. address all three legs of the stool. entitlements, cuts, and revenues, in a way that makes sense, and does make the very wealthy go back to a tax rate, by the way, in the '90s, wh
.s. debt limit. senator mcconnell is demanding 60 senate votes for passage. president obama pushed for the power transfer in a most recent and main proposal last week on the fiscal cliff. >>> now no john mcafee. the millionaire software guru wanted in questioning in the neighbor's murder in belize. maybe you heard mcafee. got arrested in guatemala overnight. shouldn't come as much of a surprise here. the whole time supposedly on the run, he was handing out tv interviews like candy. but listen to this. now the mcafee is in jail, he is blogging from behind bars. the story just keeps getting more interesting, shall we say? more on the blogging here in a moment. but first, i have to play you this video. this is the video of his arrest. surprise-surprise. he was with a camera crew from vice.com when guatemalan police took him in. the charge, entering that country illegally. take a look here. exclusive video of vice.com. >> they're trying to arrest me. guatemalan jails have beds. >> john, where are you going? >> to jail. >> when will you be out? >> and off he goes. to think, just yesterd
majo v that i argument. it is long past time to get rid of the debt ceiling and the modified mcconnell/obama plan is as good a way as any to do it. it gives lawmakers a way it avoid a fiscal cliff or fiscal curve. it can end flirtations with fiscal suicide. that the last word. i'm ezra klein in for ed o'donnell. >>> the president has returned from his trip. chris matthews and "hardball" is next. >>> a no-brainer for boehner. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me the start tonight with this. somebody has got to break it to mr. boehner, your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. the hands off the big boys' ticket. he's the guy who said his fellow 2%ers have your back. mr. boehner, ye of limited memory, the voters looked this issue directly in the eye, they heard your guy, romney, playing palace guard for the plutocrats, and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who is looking out for the middle class. i think i will let that guy go back to bain or whatever. time for mr. boehner to stop protecting the rich
and the president's remains taxes and how the government can generate more revenue to pay down the debt. >> rates have to rise on the top 2%. there's no other way to do it. >> reporter: president obama says his plan will raise taxes on the rich, bringing in $1.6 trillion. republicans want to close tax loopholes and eliminate deductions, which they say will raise $800 billion in new revenue. >> the president has a huge responsibility to work together with congress and find a solution to avert the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: and they say it's now up to the president to find a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. so now that each side has rejected the other's first offer, it's going to be interesting and important to watch the timing of the next offer on the part of the white house to really try to figure out, terrell, how far both sides are willing to take us toward that cliff. >> and which side has the edge at this point. susan mcginnis in washington this morning. thank you so much. >>> iran says this morning it's captured a united states drone flying over iranian air space. the drone was
but the economy will roar back. maybe, just maybe, zombies for obama will realize he has no clue when it comes to the economy. or we don't double dip to the recession. and the debt dissolves to pay the way for the 2016 conservatives. take your chance and take medicine now. over the long run, better for the economy. >> kimberly: call his bluff. be strong at the negotiating table to make sure you can do what is best in interest of the country. these are tough time and you have to stand your ground. if you look at the recent polling, obama dropped three points. in polling with the gallup poll. people aren't happy with him anyway. >> eric: there is a counterproposal, around $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. they go through spending cuts. none of the spending cuts in obama's plan. are we so far apart we will go up or is there a meeting ground? 'canes is smart of the republicans. last week, geithner to the treasury secretary and laughed at. across the board, left and right commentators said i think president obama is overplaying the hand here. they have a plan to get him what he campaigned
the structural spending reforms in place that we need to address the debt, the debt, almost doubled under this administration, under president obama. and that has to be a part of this. that is where the republicans are insisting that we have a spending cuts and entitlement reforms that will got america on the right track moving forward. jenna: congresswoman, such a big topic. we only brushed the surface of it. we look forward to having you back to talk more about it. thank you so much. >> thank you. jon: right now a potentially explosive new development in the trayvon martin shooting case. lawyers for george zimmerman, releasing this photo. it shows the accused shooter with a bloody nose taken on the night of the deadly shooting. zimmerman as you might recall faces second-degree murder charges in the death of this man, 17-year-old trayvon martin. zimmerman claims he shot the teen in self-defense during a violent struggle and martin inflicted the bloody nose. does this change the arc of this case? let's talk about it with lose we will, fox news analyst and crystal panich a criminal defense
made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been taken down. it was a 50/50 proposition. >> all right. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. >> fascinating. incredible read, "herding cats." >>> still ahead -- it's just cruel. i felt bat readid reading it. you know where i stand. >> cures cancer. >> let's see. >> okay. >>> coming up, we're going to bring in republican congressman tom cole who broke ranks with his party over the tax debate last week. can't wait to talk to him and get his insights. also, we'll be talking foreign policy with national security adviser dr. brzezinski. keep it right here on "morning joe." music is a universal language. but when i was
to pay off the 16 trillion dollars debt. we have companies today that are looking at obama care, we just talked about darden and cheesecake factory, they are talking about lessening full time workers, going to part time, in the environment where we're looking at 8% unemployment, this isn't about solving the economy. it's very obvious now. stuart: all politics all the time, it is redistribution, it's neo-socialism, forget what it will actually do to economic growth, no, what will it do for my political legacy? >> that's the point. it's advancing the causes of bureaucracy and dependency. so you have people who they no long very a full-time job. they have a part-time job. they need more government benefits you need a bigger bureaucracy to administer it. i'm not a big government fan. if you catch say the euro train on the continent two hours from brussels, that's pretty good, if you want government spending, here's something to show for it. there's nothing to show for it here except the department of bureaucratic compliance. charles: this was a big beef with the stimulus package. they are li
go over the debt ceiling, we didn't. this is the stage we're always in where president obama gave an offer he knew was a negotiating plan, you negotiate from the left. mcconnell gave an offer on friday that was very much on the right. it plays out in the next month, i think people get closer to a deal. lindsey graham, i don't think was saying we'll go over the cliff for sure. he's also posturing himself. that wasn't a comment, that was a posturing move. >> we know one of the most dangerous places is between senator graham and a television camera. give me your headline really quickly, perry. >> my headline is "obama delays vacation but negotiations are continuing and progressing and moving towards a deal." a deal will happen at some point, but obama always has his vacation delayed. i was covering the president a couple years ago and my hawaii trip got delayed a couple days. life went on. >> you were not happy. >> i was, you know, i was not happy, it's true, craig. >> what's your headline, sir? "markets down, party trade blame as fiscal cliff talks fail." >> you're so gloom and doom
dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the republicans get in their proposal. what do the democrats get in their proposal? they get this. a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future. we'll talk about it later. after they put forth that sweet deal, this was the reaction from the beltway's conservative class. this is genius. sadly, this plan leaves conservatives wanting. wanting what exactly? the declaration that mitt romney is actu
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challenges we have long neglected. but i refuse to leave our children with debt that they cannot repay. that means taking responsibility right now. and this administration for getting our spending under control. >> 's the one that was president obama just weeks after he took office in 2009 at the opening of the fiscal responsibility summit. today we owe more than $16 trillion, and he wants to raise the debt ceiling to spend even more money that we honestly don't have. our next guest says that both sides are to blame equally. charlie is a columnist for the washington times. okay, they cannot be equal. who is more to blame? the president or congress. i would make the argument that obama is clearly the one. certainly democrats are probably little bit more to blame. two years ago, democrats ran the entire town. they had a filibuster proof majority in the senate. they control the house and white house. if they wanted to cut spending at that time, they could have done so. republicans -- they could've done it over every republican objection and they could've gotten everything they wanted. the
to discuss what is driving federal spending and debt and that is in title and programs. peter: we learned president obama and john boehner spoke for 15 minutes last night. i just bumped into a senior leader among senate democrats and asked him how he felt about this news and he said -- he was more optimistic about these negotiations today. he thought perhaps this man the speaker and the president were exchanging proposals on avoiding the fiscal cliff, john boehner has a press conference at 11:30 after his meeting with tim geithner. connell: we will speak with -- see what the speaker has to say. with all this back and forth, a decent amount of speculation that a deal is starting to take shape. look at the reporting from politico and they put numbers to its save a framework looks like this. taxes for revenue would rise by $1.2 trillion. families making them to $50,000 would see higher taxes which we have been expecting and entitlement programs would be cut by $400 billion, most coming for medicare and, quote, end of war savings peter barnes and others reported many times as being dubious be
president obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree. as would be president mitt romney tells it, i will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno. >> oh, come on. really? >> stephanie: how did that go for you, mittens? government -- so here's the graph. government spend -- would you like the fun facts? >> government spending under obama including his stimulus bill is rising at 1.4% annualized pace slower than at any time in four years. >> how outrageous. >> stephanie: look. >> that's very visual. >> stephanie: everybody look. >> see the chart? >> those poor radio people. >> stephanie: as compared to reagan 8.7%. reagan '86-'89. bush two the second term i'm talking about 8.1%. 1.4% is where obama is. >> spending, spend spend! >> outrageous! >> i won't spend that. boehner is flabbergasted. i'm really flabbergasted! >> stephanie: did you see mitch mcconnell said he burst out laughing at the president's proposal. somebody sent me a picture of a galapagos turtle. >> i
. >> this president, i think the president with president obama he's a small minded president in big times. he is talking about 35 verses 39.6 for people who make over a million dollars. that doesn't get us out of debt. >> both sides will be taking their plan to the public this week they will meet with governors for state business he's meeting with the governors today. john boehner will be with governors plus conduct rallies with small business owners. we don't know if these two sides are going to reach an agreement any time soon and the fiscal cliff is past approaching. >> thank you very much. we are going to keep with the fiscal cliff and take a look at who is talking. charles krauthammer weighing in on the negotiations. the approach on the president and democrats didn't about the economy at all but rather about politics. >> i am not serious at all about entitlements. the president himself said that's where the money is. on social security he denied there is any effect on the deficit at all. durbin said social security hasn't added a dime to the deficit. in 2012 it added $160 billion of debt
as a result of the debt crisis a couple of years ago. >> stephanie: that's right. >> caller: this is where obama snookered the republican party. >> stephanie: yeah. >> they agreed to this. >> stephanie: we said that at the time and we still got downgraded because of the republicans, but you are absolutely right. >> caller: yes and grover norquist on sunday on david marshmallow's show, said that obama was going to take us over the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: yes, and it is because of republicans. you know what the funny names for republicans, just leave that to us. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> stephanie: david marshmallow. yeah. hi, bob. >> caller: good morning. i just wanted to call about the bob costas thing and just say i started shooting when i was ten year's old, and i still believe there is a place for regulation in gun control. >> stephanie: uh-huh. >> caller: and i think the people that shout the loudest don't speak for even the majority of gun owners and i think there is this trained pavlovian dog whistle, and there's no room for discussion. >> stephanie: y
a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. and under this administration, under president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes in order to pay for more spending. this will only hurt our economy, ernston young has done an analysis of the president's proposal. and said that it would cost 700,000 jobs, at a time when our economy continues to struggle. there's a better way and the speaker has laid it out. it is an approach that calls for tax refoach. -- reform. by reforming the tax code and passing responsible spending cuts in order to get our fiscal house in order. that's what america wants. this is our opportunity to do the big things. this is our moment to provide that leadership that america desperately wants. and we stand here ready to take the action necessary. >> american people are hurting right now and now is the moment where we need to step up to the plate and solve the problem. i don't know how any of us can look our kids and grandkids in the eye and explain to them that we're not willing to pay for the thi
the president but this is really over the board when he said congress should keep president obama on a short leash-- >> stephanie: he did not really? >> caller: he did. if he's good we should allow the debt ceiling be raised weekly. if he's bad we should make him wait molly. >> stephanie: you have to google that to mama. really? keep the president on a short leash, wow. let's--whew, that winded me, jim. cindy in michigan. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi stephanie. >> caller: cindy. >> caller: this point of view only works if you completely forget the crash of '08. the middle class and those at the bottom already took our haircut that was taken by those at the top with no increase for 15 years in the minimum wage. no reform going into that recession in the late 2007-2008 and then private and public pensions and 401ks dropped half their worth in one quarter before obama even got into office. so you know, we've had our property taxes increased our state fees increased and that's mostly to make up for the lost revenue of those mortgages that crashed. >> stephanie: yep. >> caller: when
the white house learned during the first term is that there are some things that work for obama and some things that don't. sitting down at a table with john boehner as essentially equals did not turn out as well as they might have hoped with the debt ceiling talks in 2011. but what did work was that winter when the president went to the country and argued for extending the payroll tax holiday and developed pressure outside of washington, he was a lot more successful. so they have two goals here. one is to keep the pressure coming from outside the beltway and the second is to make sure that this is not a negotiation between the president and boehner, that they want the president essentially floating above this. >> robert, when we talk and i know you had a chance to hear what congresswoman black will to say about trying to find the right balance here, while a majority of americans, say they go completely support raising taxes on wealthier americans, there is also a majority support that says we don't want to see earned benefits messed with, we don't want to see the medicare eligibility ag
problem with president obama is that he is a small minded president in big times. he's talking about 35 versus 39.6 for people that make over a million dollars. that doesn't get us out of debt. >> greta: that will pay eight days. >> eight days. what i'm talking about working as republicans and demghts like tip o'neill and ronald reagan. i'm not asking medicare. >> greta: or even governor martinez in new mexico. she did it with a democratic legislature. >> let's do it together. i'm not asking it to become a voucher program. i'm not asking to privatize social security. if we adjusted the age of retirement over the next 30 years like ronald reagan and tip o'neill and adjusted the cpi index and means tested benefits, we could save medicare and social security from insolvency. people need these programs. the good noos news is we'd get r kids and grabbed kids ou grand e situation. why doesn't the president take the offer. i'm for generating more revenue only if we get entitlement reform. >> greta: coming up, the halftime show turned gun control lecture. is the sports caster out of line? our p
. they are happy because they are getting this extra money. if obama gets -- i don't have a charge card. i am paying off all my debt. we should pay off all large debt. how much are we paying for this debt that we go? that is a waste. why should anyone else do it? congress.s stick with here is "the washington times" -- look for our coverage on c-span2 for the senate floor proceedings. yesterday, a headline in "the washington times" -- president obama sending out this tweet -- then, she took to twitter to respond, saying -- that conversation happened on twitter yesterday between the two of them. also in other news on capitol hill, a republican congresswoman from missouri is quitting congress after her most recent reelection to come an energy ceo. the district covers all of southeast missouri. 62, at the first woman office in mike in washington,an independent caller, what are your thoughts on this? caller: you know, i have my doubts about a lot of things these days. one thing i wanted to mention is every time we have a situation where there was going to be a government shutdown, they put the fea
on with this fiscal cliff. it's time to pay. it's not the republican party's fault. obama has been in office four years. he has doubled to the trillions of dollars in debt. host: are you a tea party supporter? caller: i'm not affiliated with the tea party, but i am tired of hearing them blame it, because i see the hard-working generation that are in their 60s that paid in and they are saying enough is enough, we are tired of you taking it out of our wallets. we are tired of crazy liberal laws being shoved down our throats. our rights are being taken away from us day after day and we are like zombies in this country. host: sumter, south carolina, william, a democrat. we're listening to your thoughts this morning on open phones. caller: i am a new listener and a veteran. i am trying to figure out what's going on. when people see that the fiscal cliff and all this other stuff i am trying to understand, how it came about, it was from all the money being spent on war. and i wanted to mention about the veterans. we are the backbone of this country in a sense. that's what they need to focus on more. hos
for not 52 weeks but one week alone. the tax increases that president obama is now trying to push through will really do almost nothing to reduce our national deficit and nothing to reduce our national debt. the white house and democrats in the senate are focused only on tax hikes while they continue ignoring the real drivers of our debt, which is the out-of-control entitlement programs -- social security, medicare, and medicaid. until we find a way to do meaningful entitlement reform, no amount of tax revenue will be able to match the increase in violate spending. -- in entitlement spending. the president continues in his campaign mode going around the country to try to sell his tax hikes. the president and the democrats in congress are willing to go over the fiscal cliff in order to get those tax hikes. rather than negotiate in good faith, they're willing to try to spend their time trying to convince the american people that it's just someone else's fault. going over the fiscal cliff will mean another recession, and this one is squarely on the shoulders of president obama. it will mean
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